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  • Surge target

    Something came up today, and I'm not sure how we should rule it.

    Can a pharaoh cast "surge" on himself? Similar question for question?

    We thought not, as it's a ranged attack, but it seems weird.

    -und_ed

  • #2
    Nope, due to various reasons:

    1) shooting attacks (which spells are, even benefical spells) cannot target the unit itself
    2) Surge can only be used on shambling units. The pharaoh doesn't shamble and therefore isn;t an allowed surge target.

    Hope this is helpful.

    Vince

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    • #3
      While on the topic of Shambling units and surge, if you haven't already seen the kind of tactics that are possible with it see http://www.warseer.com/forums/showth...w-to-use-Surge for some of the main "surge tricks"

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      • #4
        Yeah, indeed. Surge is *very* powerful. It's also the reason why our characters are so expensive.

        IMHO, Empire of Dust is a more balanced faction than undead.

        Undead combines surge with very powerful units (Wights, zombie trolls, wraiths) which makes the combination a little too powerful. Empire of Dust, due to the fact that the surge-able units are a little less powerful (or more expensive) is more balanced and requires more skill to play.

        Vince

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        • #5
          Those shambling dragons are real weaksauce amirite?
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          • #6
            True, the zombie dragon is a great benefit. Forgot a bit about them.......

            But they are expensive @200 points and their 9 attacks @ melee 4+ are not as efficient as a horde of wights 18 attacks @ 3+ or a horde of zombie trolls' 18 attacks @4+.

            Vince

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            • #7
              Because they fly and are on 50mm bases they are much, much easier to get flanks or rears and be positioned in really hard to get places.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Baragash View Post
                Because they fly and are on 50mm bases they are much, much easier to get flanks or rears and be positioned in really hard to get places.
                Their def 4 hinders them a lot. If the dragon does not kill its target it easily dies when countercharged. Anyway, I think there is no question that the regular Undead is a more popular and more powerful army. The tournament results I have seen speak for themselves ...

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                • #9
                  Just to prevent confusion, the last few posts were about the Bone Dragon in the Empire of Dust list, a Zombie dragon would be one of the mount options of a vampire hero in the undead list.

                  Yes the Undead army has access to extreme units, both very cheap infantry (zombies, ghouls ...) and very elite units (all vampire units, wraiths, werewolves, ...), but in Kow extremes won't always win you the day, especially when the elite units are very expensive in points (there's a reason why many undead players use revenant cavalryunits where they used to sue soul reavers, sometimes the rev are enough and much cheaper)

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